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Why is it America invaded Iraq? Netanyahu lied to Congress that Iraq was developing a nuclear bomb. That started what eventually led to the lies told the American people which killed 4,500 American troops, not to mention tens of thousands wounded. Ironically, Iraq had zero to do with 9/11. Netanyahu was recently again allowed to address the U.S. Congress and gave them their marching orders to invade Iran because . . .wait for it . . .Iran is developing a nuclear bomb.

Why does every Presidential candidate kneel before the Israeli altar and promise them the moon stars, and more importantly U.S. munitions and taxpayer money? No other country in the world gets those kinds of promises by candidates. Even states have jumped in and destroyed free speech by not allowing any individual or company agreeing with or boycotting Israel from doing business with the state. These are the states: Texas, Ohio, Illinois, Indiana, Florida, Arizona, Georgia, Iowa, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Arkansas, Minnesota, Nevada, South Carolina, Tennessee, Alabama, Rhode Island, New Jersey, Oklahoma, Kansas, North Carolina, Utah, Missouri, Idaho, West Virginia, Colorado, Mississippi and New Hampshire. A speech pathologist, working in the Texas schools, was praised for her work. Then Texas demanded on the next term she sign a paper saying she wouldn't boycott Israel. Nothing to do with the work she was doing. She didn't sign and was fired. No other country is addressed by any state. You tell me who is in control in America. When Netanyahu can make a speech in the U.S. Congress with the blood of thousands of civilians dripping from his hands and he gets standing ovations and Congressmen and Senators immediately calling for war with Iran, how can anyone think this is just all coincidence? Why is it no other country gets anything like what Israel gets either at the national or state level? When we give him 2,000 pound bombs to drop on civilian areas, knowing this will cause hundreds of deaths, why exactly is that? Why is anyone who says anything negative about the Israeli state immediately branded an anti-Semite, as a way of silencing them instead of addressing the issues? Yet, saying anything negative about any other country won't be even noticed, or if so, won't be condemned. All this cannot just be coincidence.

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Joe Keysor's avatar

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"Why is it America invaded Iraq?"

I don’t know why exactly why America invaded Iraq. Was it for revenge, or to advance America's geopolitical agenda? The neo-cons in our own govt. did have the idea the Americans would be welcomed as liberators and they could turn Iraq into a pro-American democracy as they did with Germany and Japan after WW2. I recall seeing some very stupid stuff written on this by dimwitted American foreign policy experts. They even had timetables for rebuilding Iraq as I recall, all of it imaginary. They forgot that Germany and Japan were both pounded and blasted into complete submission and total surrender before rebuilding.

About blaming it all on Netanyahu’s lies, don't forget that all of America’s super duper intelligence agencies were on board. Were they all fooled? Or maybe the American govt was lying as well because they thought American domination of Iraq would be great move on the chessboard. Also, Hussein did have a nuclear weapons program, and he was clearly lying to UN investigators – and after months of dithering we invaded and found nothing. Were there truckloads of something diverted to Syria in that time? If the police raid a drug dealer’s hideout after months of dickering and debating in the press, will they find any drugs there? It does not take a huge amount of time to disguise a germ warfare lab or bury some chemical weapons (which Hussein did use against the Kurds I think).

As to Iraq having zero to do with 9-11, weren’t there meetings of the plotters with Iraqi intelligence? Who says Iraq had nothing to do with it, even if only supplying some funds? I have no doubt we will never know the full details, just as we do not know the full details of the Kennedy assassination – because our intelligence and military agencies are concealing many guilty and shameful secrets.

About Iran developing a nuclear bomb, I thought (though I am no expert) that was an established fact with plenty of evidence.

About candidates kneeling at the Israeli altar, Israel was founded in 1948 without US military support (though there were many private contributions from American Jewry). Israel won the Six Day War with French equipment, and aid from German reparations. It was not until after the 1967 war that American plotters, schemers and military experts became seriously interested in Israel. A Soviet invasion of the oil fields was at least a contingency to plan for, and Israeli expertise and military cooperation was of great importance. So, for no other reason than selfish power politics, supporting Israel was a smart move at that time.

Also, Israel had a lot of popular support. Many Americans admired Israel and still do. It wasn’t until the intifadas that Israel began to get the image of the big bad imperialists oppressing poor Palestinian children (Cechen and Tibetan children do not throw rocks at Soviet and Chinese soldiers). So supporting Israel militarily and politically was a popular move and there was no real opposition to it for a long time. Then the Palestinian terrorists and bloodthirsty criminals cleverly switched their slogan from “Death to the Jews” to “liberation from colonialism.” That pulled the wool over the eyes of many who only know what they see on TV and have zero real knowledge of the complex historical background of that conflict.

About wasting money, I would be more concerned about the billions and trillions of dollars thrown away by the US government on Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan, on fantastically corrupt Covid giveaways, on incredible corruption and scandalous waste in our own country and other countries outside of the Middle East. If we were managing our affairs and our budgets sensibly – which we are not – aid given to Israel would be easily manageable, especially since much of it (I believe) is spent on American manufactured equipment.

By contrast, I think all of the money given to the Ukraine has been completely wasted. We have no business being there at all and anyone who believes the fairy story about fighting for democracy is being deceived. Robert Kennedy’s recent speech demonstrated very clearly I believe how the USA engineered that conflict and kept it going, not to protect democracy in the Ukraine, but to advance their own misconceived great power interests.

I would blame the military industrial complex and corrupt America politicians for countless billions of wasted dollars all over the world before I blamed Netanyahu. He does not run this country.

About boycotting Israel, I think it is an excellent idea for states to refuse to do business with companies that are boycotting Israel. Has there been any mass public outcry against that in those states? There has not. States adopt those policies not because they are controlled by Israel. If states or organizations go along with those boycotts, is it because they are controlled by the Arabs? Pro-israel policies = controlled by the Jews, and anti-Israel policies = controlled by the Arabs, including overtly hostile radical Islamic terrorist groups?

About someone being fired because she would not agree to a boycott of Israel, I have no idea if that really happened. I do know people were fired and harassed because they would not get unsafe and ineffective experimental COVID jabs. That is much worse in my view. I hope you are concerned about that.

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Joe Keysor's avatar

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"You tell me who is in control in America."

Personally, I believe America is now controlled by a shadowy cabal of globalist puppet masters who are hostile to capitalism, the nation state, and individual autonomy.

I think Netanyahu gets applause because of Israel’s heroic stand against homicidal terrorist maniacs who – you may have forgotten – were also cheering 9/11, and are working at this moment to facilitate the downfall of the US. Wait until we have Hamas style attacks breaking out simultaneously at different points in the US. That is a very real possibility.

About giving Israel 2,000 pound bombs, I think it is a good idea. Hamas deserves only the Hitler treatment, nothing else. And, many of those buildings were empty as people were warned ahead of time (something the Americans and the British did not do in WW2).

As a Christian I want to live by Christ’s policies of forgiveness and non-resistance to evil in my personal life, but believe – in agreement with Romans chapter 13 – that God has given governments the power of the sword to protect their people. I believe the complete destruction of Hamas is a legitimate and just military goal, and blame all of the civilian deaths on the bloodthirsty criminal maniacs who started this in the first place with their insane desire to destroy Israel. All of the deaths you mentioned are the direct result of Hamas, just as all of the civilian casualties in Germany during WW2 were the direct result of Hitler's crazy policies - and there are many clear parallels between Hitler and Hamas, including bizarre theories about Jews, as well as bringing destruction on their respective countries by pursuing insane and impossible dreams of conquest.

I do not believe it is true that “anyone who says anything negative about the Israeli state immediately branded an anti-Semite, as a way of silencing them instead of addressing the issues.” To an extent it is true that people who have a hatred for Israel that they have for no other country, and who could not care less about civilian deaths in other conflicts, but only leap into action when Israel is involved, are anti-semites. Yet some are motivated by Islamic beliefs, and I don’t think it is reasonable to call semitic Arabs antisemitic.

“saying anything negative about any other country won't be even noticed, or if so, won't be condemned. All this cannot just be coincidence.” True, you can criticize Poland, Japan, Brazil, whatever and no one cares. This is partly because Israel is at the center of a global spiritual warfare as God gathers the Jewish people back to their ancestral homeland in agreement with many Old Testament prophecies of centuries ago. Did you know that in the 1700s British and American Christians were saying that according to biblical prophecy, the Jews would someday return to their homeland? Do you know how many obstacles and impossibilities were overcome to create the state of Israel in 1948 against all odds, and in a very slender window of opportunity? This is nothing less than the hand of God.

But, I understand that is a religious belief, which many people do not share. And I do not expect the US govt to shape its policies according to my religion. I think it is in the interest of US national security to support Israel in its fight against Hamas, Hezbollah, and the mullahs of Iran – although it makes little sense to do that while we leave our own country undefended. If I were you I would be more concerned about the southern border, and the destruction of the dollar, and unfair trade practices that have decimated our industrial base and left us extremely vulnerable. “Free trade” is not free when foreign governments engage in all kinds of unfair trade practices.

None of this means that Israel is above criticism. There were wicked kings in Old Testament Israel and the prophets criticized them severely. I have seen some Israeli substack articles severely critical of the failed policies of Israel’s secular, leftist elites. I have been saddened to see gay rights parades in Israel, and the spread of the soul-deadening polices of secularism.

What about the Palestinians? What about the 12 million German refugees who fled Eastern Europe after WW2, either fleeing from the Russians or forcibly expelled by Poles, Czechs and others who said “All Germans out”? Are they still sitting in refugee camps whining 80 years later about the beautiful homes all of their grandparents used to have in Poland, Hungary, and Czechoslovakia, where Germans had lived for hundreds of years (longer than many Palestinians have lived in Israel, since many of them moved into the country after 1917)? No, they got on with their lives. There have been many other refugees since 1945 in various parts of the world. All of them have made new lives for themselves, except for the Palestinians – although to be fair to the Palestinians, the Arab governments have refused to help them resettle (unlike the governments of Germany, Greece, and other counties) because those Arab governments want the refugee problem to remain unsolved.

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Charles Clemens's avatar

That was brilliant, Joe. That Nazi you are responding to must have gotten under your skin. But you resisted the natural instinct to respond in kind. Nice job.

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Joe Keysor's avatar

Actually, I am really interested in these subjects and am glad to have a chance to share my opinions on them.

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Paul & Juli Grose's avatar

You handled this very intelligently and biblically, Joe.

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Joe Keysor's avatar

Thanks for the good word!

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