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Lyle Denham's avatar

More relevant than most are aware of. I suspect any church that does not take a strong stand on this issue.

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Michael Carter's avatar

Re: Who are you to question the likes of C.S. Lewis et al.

Let’s not avoid confronting error where error is apparent in the name of luminary worship, even if the apologists for same think otherwise. When people elevate others whom they may agree with, or who are popular, well-articulated and established icons of whatever genre, and then attack or denigrate anyone who dares to point out errors or raise questions, they are in de facto worship of their human luminary.

We can agree and support one another, but let’s not lose sight of reality. Because real support isn’t just about assent, it also involves disagreement and correction.

And reflection and correction is what scripture directs all of us into.

Our first love should be for God. He is whom our undying, unyielding and uncompromising allegiance is due; nothing and nobody else should come before Him. Therefore, we are Christ-bound and obligated to be supportive in alignment with the Word of God, and not just blind human affection for those we love and enjoy.

To be truly supportive requires we be in alignment with God’s Word first, which may necessitate the bringing forward aspects of any human error in alignment with Christ’s admonition to speak the truth in love. It doesn’t matter who it is. Anyone stating otherwise – who elevates their human luminary above any reproach – are already in a deep state of willful disobedience.

Now, that said and out of the way, I wanted to expound on something else that you skillfully brought up:

“The reasons for this concealment are not hard to guess. God was not playing any tricks on anyone, or deceiving anyone. If Christ had come floating down from heaven with legions of angels and blaring trumpets, and walked around in the form described in Revelation chapter 1, people would have been too terrified to respond. So, God concealed his true nature to give room for real faith and unbelief.”

Indeed, it almost reminds me of an excerpt from one of Cliffe Knechtle’s videos where an atheist arguing with Cliff about the existence of God on a very drizzly day says, (and I’m paraphrasing here) “Well, if God parted these clouds and shone a beam of light down on me, I’d believe.”

The moment he said that I was reminded of the parable of the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16.

No, no you wouldn’t. The lie is that they’d believe 'A' if something unbelievable 'B' were to happen. And when 'B' does happen, they quickly chalk it off to happenstance, weird coincidence or smoke and mirrors. They’re blinded to the truth that belief in God has less to do with being convinced of certain facts or evidence and more to do with their will and willingness. (ref: Romans 1:20)

God must conceal His divine presence from us otherwise we’d be forever on our bellies, face-in-the-dirt terrified and mute. Revelation 6:15-17 is an example of the consequences of God revealing Himself to our human vision. We’d be hiding ourselves in caves, calling the rocks to fall down on us in order that we might hide from God’s face.

I agree with your reasoning why God conceals His visible presence, notwithstanding the consequences scripture presents when in fact He does pop into view.

To this end, we need to remember that God does not drag people into heaven against their will. Because of our nature, we will NEVER choose to obey God on our own. What people fail to recognize is that we actually do have the capacity to choose God over sin, but because we love sin, we’d never forsake it for God.

In order for there to be a foil to this corrupt human choice, faith must be involved. Hebrews 11:1 defines faith, “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.”

This faith-provided assurance or confidence transcends, prevails and defeats our internal resistance (our love of sin and darkness) to the point of incredulity. It defies reason and logic in such a way that leaves us bereft of any capacity to clearly articulate how or even why we can hold such assurance or confidence.

I also argue that our own will can in fact quench the gift of faith.

We can make a choice to receive it with gladness and thanksgiving, or we can decide upon receiving it to throw it away and suppress it continually, rejecting it day by day. This is what I think – note my willful choice of words here to convey a willingness to be educated otherwise – blasphemy against the Holy Spirit entails. The continual, life-long rejection of the Holy Spirit who I believe is responsible for the power and effectual influence of faith in our lives.

Romans 1:20 suggests an opportunity for defense, like in that of a courtroom. The fact that we are without excuse reveals something important about God’s presence in the things that are seen in this world.

Lastly, as someone who worked as an engineer for much of his life, I tend to gravitate towards arguments of ‘science’ -vs.- scripture. There’s a lot to ruminate over there, suffice to say it’s at least a couple essays worth to even scratch the surface. But in the end, it will always be a matter of the direction we ourselves choose to take, and the alignment of our hearts with same.

Notably, without God’s divine intervention, we’d all be hopelessly lost.

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